In the surfing days, that was all there was for me. Sailing, starting around ’68, it was kind of the same deal. I always got really into whatever it was I was doing.

I took Al Unser out on a Hobie the day before he became the first auto racer to go 200 mph around a closed-circuit track. We were only going about 18 mph, and you should have seen him hanging on for dear life.

The team we had, the Hobie Vita-Pakt Super Surfer team, you know, the Hilton boys were on there, Conrad Hilton’s grandkids, and they were really good. After being around those kids, I could ride a little. Do a 360, some kick-turns, stuff like that.

People laughed at me for setting up a surf shop.